In this episode, Tony sits down with Michelle Baker, Chief People Officer at Forum Credit Union and co-host of the Career Dreams podcast, to explore what it really means to grow into leadership. Michelle shares the mindset shifts that shape how leaders experience the same challenges differently—why some feel energized while others feel overwhelmed—and how that perspective influences everything from decision-making to team dynamics. They also unpack the tension between speed and effectiveness, the importance of adapting your leadership to others, and why modeling behavior is one of the most overlooked responsibilities leaders carry. At the center of the conversation is a simple but powerful idea: You don’t have to fill someone else’s shoes—you have to create your own footprint. This episode is for leaders navigating growth, identity, and the responsibility that comes with both.
005 – Empathy Isn’t What You’ve Been Taught
April 21, 2026
Most leaders don’t avoid empathy because they don’t care. They avoid it because they were never taught how to handle it. In this episode of Leading Through Growth, Tony sits
