Most leaders are technically brilliant. They work hard. They have good intentions. And they’re still just… average.
In this episode of Leading Through Growth, Tony Sanders sits down with Josh White, Vice President of Talent Management at Group 1001, to unpack what actually drives performance inside a company. Spoiler: it’s probably not what you think.
Drawing from Google’s Project Oxygen study and Josh’s real experience scaling companies, they challenge the leadership philosophy that says, “If people are smart, they’ll figure it out.” The truth? That philosophy is usually wrong. And it’s costing companies more than they realize.
Josh shares what it’s like to lead talent strategy inside a rocket ship company, how to sell leadership development to executives who only care about revenue, and why meeting the business where the business is might be the most important lesson a practitioner can learn.
This isn’t about perfection. It’s about clarity, intentionality, and knowing how to balance high performance with high care — especially when your hair is on fire.
What you’ll learn:
- Why technical capability is table stakes but leadership capability drives performance
- The difference between managing output and leading people
- How competency models create clarity (and when they create confusion)
- What it looks like when a company thrives with high performance and low culture
- The 10% rule: how to fill that narrow window with something that actually matters
- How to prove the value of leadership development to skeptical executives
- Why staying calm as a leader isn’t about being perfect — it’s about showing up the right way for your team
- The mindset shift every HR leader needs: meet the business where the business is
If you’re leading through growth and it feels like chaos, this episode will help you find your footing.
Guest: Josh White, Vice President of Talent Management at Group 1001
